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- From: dhaire@gate.net (doug haire)
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- Subject: Re: Is 33.6 only available for USR?
- Date: 20 Jan 1996 06:20:40 -0500
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- Anthony Hill (an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
- :
- : doug haire (dhaire@gate.net) writes:
- : > John White (jwhite@fishnet.net) wrote:
- : > : better. Many hundreds of hours of my testing with Courier, Sportster
- : > : PPI, Supra etc. show this is not the case. My Courier with the latest
- : > : 33.6 code only marginally outperforms my PPI LCD. On a connection to a
- : > : provider using Courier upgraded to 33k I achieve 28.8 about 80% of the
- : > : time. With the LCD I achieve 28.8 50% of the time. Now 33k is really a
- : > : big deal isn't it?
- : >
- : > Apparently, it is. You see 80% 28.8k connects vs 50% 28.8k connects is
- : > significantly better. Incidently, how many 31.2k connects do you get with
- : > that PPI? I get 90% on a local call to one location (home data line to my
- : > BBS) and about 40% on a call from my office to BBS.
- :
- : I believe that the original point of the message was that IF your
- : SNR is not good enough to support v.34 connections now, the new features
- : of the annex to v.34 will make NO difference in your connect speed
- : (assuming everything else is the same). What this means is that if you're
- : getting a 26.4 connection with teh 3429 symbol rate with 28.8 v.34, you
- : will NOT see your connect speed increase to 28.8 by simply adding the 33.6
- : firmware UNLESS other things were changed (eg. when USR released their
- : 33.6 firmware for their Couriers).
-
- I believe there was a change included with the V.34+ upgrade (at least in
- the Courier) that improved speeds with the lower symbol rates, allowing a
- 28.8k connect (stable) at a lower symbol rate. I could be wrong about
- this but I don't think so. I do know, subjectively speaking, that my
- unstable 28.8k connects became more stable when I went to the V.34+ and
- that I started getting more 28.8k connects than I had. Admittedly, this
- is subjective since I did not run control tests.
-
- : > : I was simply stating that from my testing 33.6k V34+ simply has not
- : > : shown itself to be a big boost in performance and was saying
- : > : that it is not a problem to not have 33.6K especially as implemented
- : > : now. Possibly in the future when code becomes more refined we will start
- : > : to see more performance improvements.
- : >
- : > There is more to that improvement than just the connect speed. Look into
- : > that Courier sometime and examine how it handles V.42 error correction.
- :
- : This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the annex to v.34, it's
- : merely coincidence that USR decided to add both new features in the same
- : firmware for their Couriers. Also, unless something has changed since I
- : last checked, these new v.42 features (244 byte LAP-M packets and SREJ) have
- : NOT been added to the Sportster line.
-
- It was included in the V.34+ ROM code. As I understand it, it should also
- be in the Sporty V.34+ code but perhaps someone who has a V.34+ Sporty
- can confirm this one way or the other.
-
- : > You will find that it outperforms the "standard" implementation in the
- : > Rockwell chipset modems every time. That is, I get high 3300's to low
- : > 3400's using zmodem (w/Mobyturbo) on a 28.8k connection. I get high
- :
- : FWIW the PPI has a maximum LAP-M packet size of 512 bytes, more
- : then twice the size of the USR Couriers 244 bytes, so the PPI will have a
- : higher maximum theoretical throughput then the USR Courier. Of course,
- : PPI does not support SREJ (unless it's been added recentely), so if there
- : are any noticible amounts of errors on the line, the Courier may end up
- : outperforming the PPI.
-
- Would you run some tests with the PPI and see what kind of rates you get?
- I'd certainly be interested in seeing them.
-
- : > 3200's to mid-3300's on a good 28.8k connect with my Supra using the same
- : > protocol.
- :
- : And that's the sort of range you'll get with a Sportster too.
-
- Since they are in the same price range, I'd say that would be expected.
-
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